Motorcycle Repair: 1983 Honda VT500 signal lights, honda vt500, load wires


Question
Recently purchased bike, stock lighting removed after ensuring all signal lighting worked properly, they did.

Replacing with smaller 12VDC 2-wire lights. I do have a Clymer manual and have reviewed the schematic. Fuses are good, continuity between front & rear lights; (i.e., hot wires; orange on left and Sb 'sky blue' on right), Dg dark green ground is good for all four units. Opened switch housing, looked good, no voltage to lights though. Checked relay and bypassed by shorting the gray & Gw wires together, nothing.  Does the cluster indicator light have anything to do with this circuit is it in parallel or series with each side? Have checked all harness connections, looked good but the following items I have NOT done:
Checked Power between the Gw to Dg at the relay,...
Checked Indicator bulb within cluster, (it did work before removing stock and trying the new 12VDC fixtures ONCE)...
Checked continuity between gray wire at the relay to the gray wire at the switch...
Checked continuity between switch & light load wires
When I first tried this event, the front lights stayed on but when I turned the signal switch on then the front lights turned off; I do know that the front lights are also running lights but don't care to continue that feature, not required in TN.
Any suggestions would be helpful.

Answer
Greg, if you are using two wire lights, one lead is hot from the signal switch (blue or orange) and the other one has to go back to ground. Grounding the signal units doesn't necessarily complete the circuit, unless the ground lead is connected to the signal body.

If the signals have less amperage (like LED lights), there isn't enough current draw to trigger the flasher. You would have to change to an electronic flasher.

Yes, there are running lights in the front signals, which cut off when you hit the high beam switch, momentarily, then come back on when low beam is selected.

Make sure that you aren't confusing blue and orange wires with the blue/white and orange/white striped wires. Solid colors are generally turn signals and the ones with the white stripe are for the running lights.

Basically you need to start with 12v test light and probe the wiring, starting with the power to the flasher/out of the flasher and move out from there.

Power flow is battery to ignition switch to flasher( input black)-flasher (output gray) to the turn signal switch in the handlebars (via the nest of wiring connectors along the way). From the turn signal switch the power is paired to either left or right side wiring light sets returning to ground for circuit completion.


Bill Silver