Small Engines (Lawn Mowers, etc.): 18HP B&S Will not keep running, briggs and stratton, throttle control


Question
QUESTION: Hi John,
I reviewed your last recommendation from several weeks ago and followed your directions but it does not appear that I have an internal governor. I have the external that is shown on page 8 0f the B&S 422700 parts exploded view page. The carb throttle is wide open and there is a small pool of gas that is visible in the intake manifold. The engine will start momentary and then die. I did get it to start a couple times but it was infrequent and when it did it raced like crazy and adjusting the throttle did not change the rpm. I know we are getting closer and it seems that it is carb related. Your direction is  appreciated.
Kevin

ANSWER: Hi Again Kevin:

You can View a Breakdown/IPL of this Engine at this Site Addy, http://www.outdoordistributors.com/ and Select the B. Then Select Briggs and Stratton. Then Select Don't have Part Numbers. Then Select the File # 42. Then Select the Folder # 422700. On Page 5 of 19 you can See the Internal Governor (#219). On Page 8 of 19  the Governor Arm is Shown (#227). Also, I am trying to Locate our Previous Correspondence. I Answer 70 to 80 Questions a Week and it is Hard to Locate Some Questions. If you Use the Follow Up System, then All the Correspondence is Returned to me and I have the Conversations as a Reference. I Seem to Remember that the Engine Races and you have No Throttle Control of the Engine Speed. Thanks. Hope this Helps. I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Thanks.

Good Luck

Respectfully

John

PS: I am Allowed to Answer 10 Questions a Day. If you See I am Maxxed Out, then Try Submitting your Question at or Just After 9pm EST (US). My New Day Starts then. Thanks.

Respectfully

John

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QUESTION: Hi John, Wish I had been smart enough to recognize the follow up system, I would have been more timely in my FU questions.
Unless I am missing something, I don't believe that I have an internal governor on my carburator i.e. It appears to be external and the linkage to the carb from the governor just pivots on the bolt on the carb and moves the throttle butterfly. I have the bracket control shown on page 5 #221 (422700). I have started and stopped on this project several times due to frustation and vacations this summer.

My correspondance with you goes back to 6/16, 7/2, 7/5/ 7/8
(dates I printed out your directions)

As a recap, the engine is very hard to start and if it starts it races like crazy. I have replced plugs, filter , battery, adjusted mag to .020, took heads off and checked valves, removed carb and soaked overnight in Gunk cleaner.

There is gas spitting out the carb and at the bottom of intake manifold.

With your help, I am ready to attack this again. Your direction will be appreciated.

Kevin



ANSWER: Hi Kevin:

Welcome Back. First to Set the Governor. You Misunderstood about the Internal Governor. No Worries. To Reset the Governor; Loosen the Governor Arm Bolt and Turn the Governor Shaft Clockwise Until it Stops. Using the Governor Arm Hold the Carburetor to Full Throttle. Now with the Shaft Full Clockwise and the Governor Arm and Carburetor Held at Full Throttle, Tighten the Governor Arm Bolt. If the Engine Still Runs Full Throttle, then Reverse the Rotation of the Governor Shaft, but Still Hold the Carburetor at Full Throttle with the Governor Arm. If it Still Runs at Full Throttle, then Check the Internal Governor. Once the Governor is Set, then we can Work on the Gas Problem. Hope this Helps. I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Thanks.

Good Luck

Respectfully

John

PS: I am Allowed to Answer 10 Questions a Day. If you See I am Maxxed Out, then Try Submitting your Question at or Just After 9pm EST (US). My New Day Starts then. Thanks.

Respectfully

John

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QUESTION: Hi John,
You must have been very busy or on vacation becuuse I have had a hard time getting back into you. Glad to be able to reach you again. As you suggested, I loosened the nut/bolt/ bracket on the govenor assembly and turned the shaft clockwise and insured the throttle butterfly was wide open and then tighten the asembly back up. No luck with starting.
Recheck spark with plug out and it was erractic but there on both plugs. Definitely getting gas - almost too much. Puddles in manifold. New plugs, filter, gss, gap .020, no damage to flywheel slot, soaked carb in Gunk, adjusted idle, 75-80 lbs compression, valves not sticking, heads off no damage etc.
Could it be the magnetto or where else should I go? Please advise.

Answer
Hi Kevin:

Its Hard to Get back to Me and I Appolgize for this. I Take 10 Questions a Day and Most Times by 10pm EST US, I am Maxxed Out for New Questions. If you See I am Maxxed Out, then Try Submitting your Question at or Just After 9pm EST (US). My New Day Starts then. Thanks. I Take my Vacation During the Months of December and January and Part of Febuary. Does the Engine Start at All Now. As I Remember the Engine was Hard to Start and Once Started it Raced. Did Resetting the Governor Stop the Racing? Check the Flywheel Key for Damage before Replacing the Magneto. The Low Compression 70-80psi can Also be the Reason for Hard Starting. Usually 90psi i a Minimum for Good Starting and Lower that 90psi will Result in Hard Starting and Sometiimes Rough Idle. Hope this Helps. I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Thanks.

Good Luck

Respectfully

John