QuestionQUESTION: Hi.. I have a 98' Grand Voyager 2.4 - 4 Cyl
The problem is that the low beam is always on, only removing fuse or relay put's them out.
Pin 85 @ relay has a strange behaviour, when measuring with a multimeter + at battery - at pin 85 i get 10,5 volt and if i flip them so - at battery and + at pin 85 i get 1,5 volt.
The dome light is also always on unless the swicth is rolled to 0.
Every thing else is working fine.
Hope you can help me diagnose if it is the bcm or junktionbox or something else.
Thank you.
ANSWER: Hi Khalid,
So the headlamps (you are sure these are the low beams and at full strength?) are 'on' all the time, even when the ignition key is in the 'locked' position?
Did this just start happening and if so do you recall anything else unusual when it began?
How long have you owned it?
Because this is a Europe vehicle, was it first sold in Europe or was it sold in the United States and imported to Europe by the owner?
Is there a low-beam relay and a separate high-beam relay?
Would you know if this vehicle is identical to the Chrysler model or the Dodge/Plymouth model that are sold in the US? Those have different headlamp wirings, and in this country the "Voyager" is actually a Dodge/Plymouth, while the Chyrsler is called a "Town and Country".
Does the vehicle have daylight running lamp feature (as in Canada) or is that not required in Sweden?
My reason for asking all these questions is that I have the '98 manual that covers US/Canadian-sold vehicles which probably is not an accurate representation of the European-sold vehicle. Also, it appears to me that vehicles sold in Europe and called a '98 may actually be a model that was made and sold as a '97 in the US. Once we sort out these questions we might make some progress, so please answer each of them.
On the dome light always being 'on', I would suspect that one of the doors is not being latched tightly enough so that the signal is being given that the door is open when it really isn't. Try pushing inward on all the door to see if one of them will cause the dome light to go out and then adjust the striker mounted in the door frame to more tightly secure that door.
I hope that aspect will be corrected and then we can focus on the headlamps.
Roland
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QUESTION: Hi Roland..
Yes it is the low beams at full strength, and all the time. With the headlight swicth i can turn on & off the rear and dash lights.
I have owned the car for 3 years, and this problem started when a freind of mine tried to wire the low beam together with the high beam, so that when ever the high beam is on so would the low beam.
I think pin 85 at the low beam relay was introduced to 12 volt.
The car was sold in Sweden from new.
It has seperate low and high beam relays.
Regarding the different models, mine should be identical to the Plymouth 2.4 manuel gear.
It does have automatic headlights but it was not on the car from the factory, and it has no relay for automatic lights on the junction box.
I can see that the automatic lights is a chrysler dealer retrofit with a black box.
I have disabled this feature 2 years ago, by removing a fuse from the above mentioned black box.
I should be a 98 acording to the vin.
All the doors are proprely closed, because i can see the door ajar sign when i open one.
The dome light problem started together with low beam problem..
Thank you.
ANSWER: Hi Khalid,
Thanks for that history. Is the friend available to tell you exaxtly what he did in his re-wiring, and has that wiring been removed and the system restored to it original configuration?
I will contemplate on this, but would like to the answer to those questions.
Roland
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QUESTION: Hi Roland..
IHe was trying to bridge between the two relays.
No reel re-wiring was done, so everything is back to original.
Khalid..
AnswerHi Khalid,
Thanks for the clarification. As I see the circuit, the only possible causes for the low beam being on all the time are:
the low beam relay is stuck 'on'...try switching it out with another of the same part number, OR
the orange/white wire from pin 85 of the low beam relay to pin 10 of the headlamp dimmer switch (part of the multifuntion switch)is shorted to ground...with the relay removed and the dimmer set to 'high', measure the resistance to ground from pin 85 to test that, OR
The low beam switch in the multifunction switch itself is shorted to ground...
There should be no connection between pins 9 and 10 of that switch except in the 'low' position, and the pink wire on pin 9 should either be floating or showing 12V when the headlamp switch is off. What does it show? It should not be grounded with the headlamp switch off.
Finally, if you put the dimmer switch in the high position do the low beams go off, when you have the headlamp switch off? That would be another way to solve the problem that you are having it would seem, at least in the short run.
Please let me know the results of all these tests/techniques.
Roland
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