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I get a loud squeeling noise and some metalic scraping sound when I depress the clutch pedal on my 1976 TR6 .The clutch is the cars second since new and has about 35000 miles on it out of 42000 original. There is also some minor slippage when the car is carrying 2 large occupants. I think I need a throw-out bearing and probably a whole new clutch. I would appreciate your thoughts and a rough estimate of what would be a reasonable cost for parts and labor to correct this problem. I realize that job hours are more than parts but what do you think each shoul be Thankyou PFA
Answer - Thankyou Jim Do you have an opinion as to the quality of either B&B or LUK an which would be preferred? I spoke to one tech. who orig. told me the job would be around 700 but on the second conversation he now adds that it doesnt include parts. Needless to say I am now uncomfortable since he said this . He will be going in from the inside and the car is close to almost cherry.I am located in the middle of the state about 15 miles south of Ocala Fla. but am not from this area. I am also the orig. owner.Thanks PFA
Paul,
Yes, it definitely sounds like time for a new clutch setup.
You need to replace all three pieces (clutch disc, pressure plate and throwout) as it sounds like the clutch is worn down most of the way and there maybe be damage to the pressure plate. The flywheel may also need to be resurfaced.
As to pricing... A quick check of one of the major parts suppliers show the Borg & Beck setup at $165 and LUK brand for $240.
As to labor? I've seen shop rates listed anywhere between $30/hr to $75/hr. Remember that on the TR6 the transmission is removed from the inside of the car, so at least one seat, the dash support, carpet and trans tunnel cover will need to be removed.
If you don't care about any of the interior pieces then the job could cost less.
I don't know where you're located so I can't provide any specific shops I'd recommend. If you're a member of a local Triumph club you might ask some of the other members for recommendations.
Cheers,
Jim
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Paul,
Sorry, I should have given you the following links before:
www.vtr.org
www.vtr.org/chapters.html
There are several VTR (Vintage Triumph Register) chapters (clubs) in Florida. Your best bet for recommendations for doing the work would be to contact one of the officers and see if either they'll suggest a shop or pose the question to the club members for suggestions.
If you are mechanically inclined it might be to your benefit to remove some of the interior yourself. Remember also that since the trans comes out from the inside of the car that if you get a "sloppy" mechanic you'll wind up with oil/grease/scratches on the interior pieces.
As you've learned, you do need to get an agreement on what is covered in the estimate. If the car is all original some of the bolts may be reluctant to be removed... adding to the time/$$$ to finish the job.
Remember also that there's always the possibility that other real problems may be found... u-joints are a common problem and if they're original they may be long past due. And the TR6 has 6... two in the drive shaft and two on each drive axle.
As to B&B vs LUK? I prefer Borg & Beck over Quinton Hazel (discount UK brand) but I haven't had any experience with LUK clutches.
Cheers,
Jim
JIM, What is a pilot bearing? Do you know who carries B&B It seems that the help at some suppliers dont know who producers the clutch kits. I found a B&B pressure plate but the disc. mfg isnt known. Can they be used together and would they ever give you anything other than a ball bearing. What do they mean as far as asbestos free on some parts Does it have anything to do with ball bearings? Trying to find my way with very little help from the parts suppliers Paul
AnswerPaul,
Let me see if I can cover this all... my apologies if I miss a point.
Pilot bearing: It's a bronze sleeve bushing that fits either into the center of the flywheel or the end of the crank shaft (Triumph made a change during production and I don't have my reference handy). The front tip of the transmission input shaft rides in the pilot bearing.
Suppliers: For TR6 parts you have several great suppliers available. The VTR website has a list of the major suppliers, such as Moss Motors, The Roadster Factory, Victoria British, British Parts Northwest, and Rimmer Brothers in the UK.
Look for a "clutch kit". Usually they will list the manufacturer and all the parts in the kit will be from that manufacturer.
There's no reason that a LUK clutch disc wouldn't work with a B&B pressure plate.. but if there are problems it seems the manufacturers prefer to point fingers at other manufacturers than just admit that not all parts shipped are absolutely perfect.
Asbestos used to be used in clutch discs and brake shoes/pads. Since breathing asbestos dust is not recommended the manufacturers have had to change to a non-asbestos compound.
The throwout bearing should be ball bearing, but that has no bearing on asbestos content.
cheers,
Jim
