QuestionQUESTION: Hello John,
I have 2 Kohler Comand 14 engines, one on a '96 Toro Hydro 37" walk behind 30186 tractor unit w/ electric start and the other on a '94 Toro Belt Drive 37" belt drive walk behind 30175 tractor unit w/ pull start. I need to use the engine off the pull start for my hydro unit. Is there anything special about the electric start motor (besides the starter, battery and cables) that I need to know about? Do they both use the same stator, flywheel, retifier, etc?
The electric start motor stopped charging the battery by itself a few years ago. Should I use the stator (or anything else) from the pull start motor?
Thanks!
James
ANSWER: Hello James:
I went to the Toro Site and Looked at Both these Units. These are Basically the Same Engine. You should have No Problems Making the Change/Swap. The Engines Use the Same Flywheel, Stator, ect. There is a Few Slight Changes in the Carburetor, but you can Change the Complete Carburetor if Required. You can View a Breakdown/IPL of the Mower at this Site Addy, https://lookup3.toro.com/partdex/default.cfm and Select Start Parts Viewer. Now Enter the Model Numbers (30186 or 30175) and Click Search. Now Select View Assembly Drawings for your Year Model. If you Hit a Snag or this Does Not Correct the Problem, I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Hope this Helps. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Have a Happy Holiday Season and May the All Mighty Bless You and Yours. Be Safe and Happy. Thanks.
Good Luck
Respectfully
John
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John
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QUESTION: Thanks for the web links.
What parts are involved in charging the battery in these engines? Once the engine is running, the battery isn't needed to engage the electric clutch, right? Since the battery wouldn't charge and the blade clutch wouldn't engage without a charged battery, do you think the stator is bad?
Thanks again,
James
ANSWER: Hello Again James:
The Charging Components are the Stator and the Rectifier. The Engines you Listed Both have the Same Rectifiers and Stators. I Suggest you Change the Rectifier First and then the Stator if the Engine Does Not Charge Correctly with the Different Rectifier. The Charging System (Stator and Rectifier) Must be Working Properly or the Electric PTO will Not Engage or May Engage and Not Stay Engaged. Never Jump a Small Engine with a Running Automotive Engine. The Charging System of the Automotive Engine is So Much Greater than the Small Engines Charging System that you Damage the Regulator/Rectifier or the Stator/Charging Coils and then the Small Engines Charging System has to be Repaired. If you Use an Automotive Engine to Jump a Small Engine; Use Just the Battery of the Automotive Engine. If you Hit a Snag or this Does Not Correct the Problem, I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Hope this Helps. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Have a Happy Holiday Season and May the All Mighty Bless You and Yours. Be Safe and Happy. Thanks.
Good Luck
Respectfully
John
PS: I am Allowed to Answer 10 Questions a Day. If you See I am Maxxed Out, then Try Submitting your Question at or Just After 8pm EST (US). My New Day Starts then. Comments and Ratings are Greatly Appreciated. Thanks.
Respectfully
John
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QUESTION: Hi John,
If the electric clutch doesn't engage without the battery hooked up does that point to a bad stator or can it still be the rectifier?
If at all possible, I'm trying to figure out if it's the stator so i can swap it out while I'm doing the engine swap.
Thanks again for your help!
James
AnswerHi James:
Most Stators can be Tested Using the Guide at the Following Site Addy; For Testing the Electrical (Charging) System on Mowers you can Use this Site Addy; http://faqs.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/faqs.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3438&p and Use the Link for AC Volts/DC Amps Meter Setting Chart. This is for Briggs Engines and Works Well for Kohler and Other Engine OEMs. Usually the Rectifier is the Cause for these 2 Engine Model to Stop Charging the Battery. However, Using the Charts at the Provided Site Addy, you can Test the Charging System and be Sure of the Bad Component before you Purchase Any Parts. The Following is a Basic File I Made for Checking the PTO (Blade Engagement). The Most Common Cause for this Problem is the PTO Ground. A Quick Ground Check is to Use Another Wire and Ground the PTO at the Harness Connection Nearest the PTO. Be Careful and Do Not Ground the HOT Wire. Use a Multimeter and Locate the Ground Wire. Clean the PTO Ground and All the Connections for the PTO Wiring Harness. If you have an Ohmmeter, Disconnect the Wiring Harness from the Front of the Clutch and Check the Resistance of the Clutch. You should have around 4 or 5 OHMs. If at or near Zero, the Coil has Shorted. If you Hit a Snag or this Does Not Correct the Problem, I am Here if You Require More Assistance. Hope this Helps. Let me Know What Happens, Please. Have a Happy Holiday Season and May the All Mighty Bless You and Yours. Be Safe and Happy. Thanks.
Good Luck
Respectfully
John
PS: I am Allowed to Answer 10 Questions a Day. If you See I am Maxxed Out, then Try Submitting your Question at or Just After 8pm EST (US). My New Day Starts then. Comments and Ratings are Greatly Appreciated. Thanks.
Respectfully
John
